Thursday, May 23, 2013
[Pope Francis] told the story of a Catholic who asked a priest if even atheists had been redeemed by Jesus.
"Even them, everyone," the pope answered, according to Vatican Radio. "We all have the duty to do good," he said.
"Just do good, and we'll find a meeting point," the pope said in a hypothetical reply to the hypothetical comment...
Of course, if Jesus has "redeemed" "everyone" including atheists, then why is doing good a "duty"? Why bother to do good?
Or are we all redeemed, but some are more redeemed than others?
If so, then I suppose one can do good to merit a bigger mansion in heaven. Or a place closer to the throne of God.
Okay, but still, what's wrong with the atheist who says, "Well, if it's all the same to you, I'd rather enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin in this world, and have a lower place in heaven, thankyouverymuch"?
Wednesday, May 22, 2013
Difficult Scriptures: Romans 5:12-17
16 May by Jeff Dunn12 When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned. 13 Yes, people sinned even before the law was given. But it was not counted as sin because there was not yet any law to break. 14 Still, everyone died—from the time of Adam to the time of Moses—even those who did not disobey an explicit commandment of God, as Adam did. Now Adam is a symbol, a representation of Christ, who was yet to come. 15 But there is a great difference between Adam’s sin and God’s gracious gift. For the sin of this one man, Adam, brought death to many. But even greater is God’s wonderful grace and his gift of forgiveness to many through this other man, Jesus Christ. 16 And the result of God’s gracious gift is very different from the result of that one man’s sin. For Adam’s sin led to condemnation, but God’s free gift leads to our being made right with God, even though we are guilty of many sins. 17 For the sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over many. But even greater is God’s wonderful grace and his gift of righteousness, for all who receive it will live in triumph over sin and death through this one man, Jesus Christ. (Romans 5:12-17, NLT)So, we have Paul writing that Adam is a symbol of Christ who was yet to come. Does this symbol have to have been real? Does our faith hang in the balance as to whether or not we believe in a historical Adam?I normally don’t answer my own Difficult Scriptures question, but today I will, and then stand aside to hear your thoughts. To give my answer, I will have to lean heavily on what I learned from Michael Spencer about reading the Bible.The Scriptures were given us for one reason, and one reason alone: To point us to Jesus. When we try to use the Scriptures to prove other points, we are going outside of the scope of its purpose. The story and symbol of Adam show us “little Adams” to be sinners in need of redemption. Redemption comes in Christ’s death and resurrection. If I focus on whether or not Adam is/was real, I take my eyes away from what God intends me to look at: Jesus. So I guess I’m saying it does not matter to me whether or not Adam was really real. The story of Adam points me to a very real Jesus.Now, your thoughts?
The part of 2 Tim 3 that everyone likes to quote and that becomes the bedrock of their doctrines of scripture is, “All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, reproof, correction…”
Scripture is God-breathed. Yes!But wait! There’s more!Or, perhaps better put–wait, you forgot a part!The verse before this presents a significant qualification: “From childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith that is in Christ Jesus.”Did you see it?Scripture isn’t just “good.” Full stop. It is good for a particular purpose. That purpose is Christological. Scripture is not rightly read as scripture when it is given its historical, scientific, or critical meaning. It is not rightly read as scripture until it is read as a witness to, or cultivating a wisdom that inclines us toward, the crucified and risen Christ.In Romans, Paul says similar things: the righteousness of God (in the crucified and risen Christ) is borne witness to by the Law and the Prophets; Christ is the end/goal of the Law.Paul is faithful in what he says about Adam, not because he rightly identifies Adam as the biological precursor of all subsequent humanity, but because he sees in Adam a way to understand how the crucified and risen Christ is the beginning of God’s plan for a new humanity at the acme of new creation.What did God breathe? Words of wisdom. Words of wisdom that lead to salvation. Words of wisdom that lead to salvation through faith in Christ.If we read and find only words of science or dogma or ethics or history, the Bible has not yet become for us the living and active and inspired word of God.
The term “myth” has a long history of use prior to the NT, through which it comes to mean a fable or far-fetched story, often about the gods; most importantly, it can stand as a category meaning essentially falsehood (109).
But what about God’s retributive violence–where God exacts swift judgment in the form of physical brutality against his own people for disobeying?The question that is as old as the Christian faith is: “How does all this square with how Jesus speaks of God?” The key word here is forgiveness. The issue is not simply that Jesus says we should forgive each other. Rather, by forgiving each other we reflect the heart of God.Of course, for both the Old and New Testaments, there are other examples we could look at. But the point remains: If Jesus and the Father are one (John 10:30), how can we hold all this together? How can these two views of God be reconciled? Are they even supposed to be reconciled?One answer will not do, and we need to nip it in the bud: “God can do whatever he wants to, and that includes mercilessly punishing sinners among his own people by killing them.” That misses the entire point. The issue here is how God himself is portrayed differently in the Old Testament and then in the New.
Ray Rogers told me personally that he believed, “Something else was at work with the Maillard reaction,” but he didn’t know what that was and didn’t live long enough to explore it.
Keep in mind, too, that the Shroud would still have high evidential significance for Christianity even if some natural process, like a Maillard reaction, explains the Shroud or part of it. The cloth would still give us evidence for Jesus' existence, the accuracy of early Christian accounts of his death, etc.
Tuesday, May 21, 2013
Polygamy is no longer an outlier for many social scientists, and much serious work has already been done laying the groundwork for its defense (see here, as well as this recent Slate article arguing for it). Polygamy, however, is small potatoes. Polyamory, the idea that many persons sexually involved with one another should be able to accrue government support, benefits, and legal structure to assist in their lifestyle, has a serious academic following (see here and here ; also note it’s happening in Brazil here). And what about the many “gay marriage” advocates in academia who admit that they want to get rid of – move “beyond” – traditional marriage altogether? (see here and here) What about those in the gay rights movement – not a small number – who believe the “next step” should be to help straight people get over their obsession – the hypocritical obsession! – with monogamous marriage? (see here and here and here). And what about the fact that for many, their conception of “civil rights”, grounded on just what I do not know, is the card that would trump all factual reality? In other words, whether or not children in general do better with a mom and a dad, to take one example, is irrelevant (see here – so what is the point of insisting that conservatives provide evidence that pornography is harmful?). Jerry Sandusky aside, pedophilia has been gradually losing its stigma – as long as it is done ethically of course! – and there have been serious academic books written defending it (see here and here; interesting related links here and here).
*NEW CLASS THIS SUMMER!
Registration is NOW OPEN for The Life of Jesus and the Gospels.
For eight weeks this summer, I will be teaching a weekly class on the life of Jesus and the Gospels at Jesus Bible Institute in New Jersey.
We've also written about hostile corroboration of Christianity in modern times. See, for example, this post about hostile corroboration of modern miracles.
Monday, May 20, 2013
Third, in my own wrestling with the political debate, love of neighbor looms large. Some on the right may offer arguments that reflect more the same demand for special rights as those on the left of the issue. The legal aspects of that are beyond my pay-grade—and they are important. Others may treat this issue as irrelevant: “Look, it doesn’t affect me. I just don’t want to live next door to some creepy home like that.” However, in terms of specifically Christian witness, love of neighbor (as God’s image-bearers) should be front-and-center. We have to care about our non-Christian neighbors (gay or straight) because God cares and calls us to contribute to the common good.The challenge there is that two Christians who hold the same beliefs about marriage as Christians may appeal to neighbor-love to support or to oppose legalization of same-sex marriage.On one hand, it may be said that if we can no longer say that “Judeo-Christian” ethics are part of our shared worldview as a republic, then the ban seems arbitrary. Why isn’t there a campaign being waged to ban providing legal benefits to unmarried heterosexual couples? Or to make divorce more difficult? It just seems more symbolic than anything else: it looks like our last-gasp effort to enforce our own private morality on the public. On the other hand, we might argue that every civilization at its height, regardless of religion, has not only privileged marriage of one man and one woman but has outlawed alternative arrangements. Same-sex marriage means adoption, which subjects other human beings to a parental relationship that they did not choose for themselves. Are we loving our LGBT neighbors—or their adopted children—or the wider society of neighbors by accommodating a move that will further destroy the fabric of society?I take the second view, but I recognize the former as wrestling as much as I’m trying to with the neighbor-love question. Legal benefits (“partnerships”) at least allowed a distinction between a contractual relationship and the covenant of marriage. However, the only improvement that “marriage” brings is social approval—treating homosexaul and heterosexual unions as equal. Although a contractual relationship denies God’s will for human dignity, I could affirm domestic partnerships as a way of protecting people’s legal and economic security.
This review is from: Help! Arminians are giving me nightmares again! (Paperback)I apologize. The decription is enough to give me the heebee-jeebees. Didn't buy or read the book; don't intend to. Since only a very few are chosen for salvation and many, many will go to eternal damnation (along with all and every infant), the chances of my grandchildren being those for whom God intended to save is awfully slim. Don't want to give them Calvinistic nightmares.
1. Few saved: Calvin Institutes, 220.127.116.11. Infant damnaton: Calvin Institutes, 3.23.6; Institutes, Book 2.1.8.
Unfortunately, the author forgot to mention that if anybody disagrees with you, following John Calvin's shining example you should either obtain from them a confession of guilt under torture and then behead them (Jacques Gruet - 1547) or burn them alive (Michael Servetus - 1553).I think we need to be more afraid of Calvinists who can do nothing more than create exaggerated straw man arguments against a theological system that he clearly demonstrates he is completely ignorant about.
And where did you come up with this little tidbit of information? And what relevance does it have to the fact that the individual who crafted your theology was a tyrant who killed or exiled people who disagreed with him and that his tyranny was a logical result of his skewed theology?And point, please, to one writing, just one simple, succinct sentence, from Blackmun who said that it was his Arminian theology (as if he followed any theology at all) that compelled him to draft Roe vs. Wade?Bottom line: Evangelical Christians stand united against the horror of abortion, both Arminian and Calvinist. Deal with it.
"And where did you come up with this little tidbit of information? "
"And what relevance does it have to the fact that the individual who crafted your theology..."
"...was a tyrant who killed or exiled people who disagreed with him..."
"...and that his tyranny was a logical result of his skewed theology?"
How can you say he was a "devout" Arminian? Is it just because we was a Methodist? What kind of Methodist? He was considered one of the most liberal judges ever to sit on the Supreme court. So do you mean a liberal Methodist? Liberal Methodists aren't really all that concerned about doctrine or Arminianism for that matter.But anyway, I don't think the comments about Calvin were that helpful or relevant either. The problem I have with books like this is they leave so much out of the "Calvinist" worldview, all the ugly parts. And, as the reviewer rightly noted, this book is based on a horrible caricature of Arminianism. That is problematic to me, regardless of the actions of John Calvin or Harry Blackmun (and no doubt they will both answer to God for their deeds).
"this book is based on a horrible caricature of Arminianism."
"And what relevance does it have..."
"the individual who crafted your theology was a tyrant who killed or exiled people who disagreed with him..."
"...and that his tyranny was a logical result of his skewed theology?"
"Wow. You really are new to the whole science of debate, aren't you."
"As I said, Guilt by Association is a logical fallacy."
"In any formal debate, you would be laughed off stage."
"But there is a deeper problem in your response. By bringing up a non sequitor [sic] response..."
"And I don't need to to demonstrate how TULIP entails the execution of Servetus. John Calvin, the origin of your theological system either was directly responsible or approved of his death and 57 others. (Encyclopedia of World Biography)."
"(you think I'm Methodist for some reason. I'm not.)"
"keystone, you are not very talented at the art of debate are you?"
"You are indulging in one called Guilt by Association assuming the actions of one person represent the actions of the whole."
"However, you may say, isn't Guilt by Association what you are doing with John Calvin? Well, close, but no cigar. John Calvin is the author of what is known as Calvinism. My charge is that Calvin was a bloodthirsty tyrant and under his leadership in Geneva from 1541 until his death, fifty-eight people were executed and seventy-six were banished."
"If God in His mercy had not ended Calvin's life in 1564, Calvin would have given history a run for one of the bloodiest tyrants in history."
"John Calvin is the author of what is known as Calvinism. My charge is that Calvin was a bloodthirsty tyrant..."
There's an element of truth to the apathy objection. Many people in the ancient world, as in the modern world, would have been apathetic to some extent. Early on, a lot of people would never have heard of Christianity or would have heard of it, but dismissed it without much research. And so on. But the objection is often pressed too far. Take Bart Ehrman, for instance:
Sunday, May 19, 2013
There is no nightmare like that of dreaming you are not elect…
…and God has never loved you in the only sense that matters.